My dear friend "J" had sent me an email which invited an inquiry together... I thought Id share here what I wrote to him back...
"J" said:
My reply:
"J" said:
I have been wondering why dialogue groups appeared after Krishnamurti died. Why he was so concerned that when people talk together they be generous, interact with affection. Have great care to listen to the other.
Many like to point out that Krishnamurti was protected and supported during his life by others as he did his work. Can the dialogue process be approached in a way as a support, if for a brief time, when one is laying aside ones ego and listening. It has to be relatively safe to lay down one's tools and weapons or one will not listen - will not stop the walling.
My reply:
"Why he was so concerned that when people talk together they be generous, interact with affection. Have great care to listen to the other."
yes, I can see this... the very importance of this, in what we purport to want to find for ourselves-- "inner peace", wisdom, and the like...
what Ive been calling "Debate energy"- which is the manifestation of the "agree/disagree" mind, HAS to end- HAS to find its own end, in order to ACTUALLY SEE (and not 'hold' as a belief) what it is that we are trying to come upon...
since it is the brain itself that is the very source of this agree/disagree mind, through its insistence on its own primary dichotomy, "I and other", then the brain is NOT going to be an ally, in seeing the end of debate energy within itself... it is going to insist on debating the validity of its creations, the very agree/disagree stance that it MUST make for itself, to keep itself alive (in the form of thought, or ego, I mean here)...
therefor, ONLY compassion, for the Brain itself, for this very activity, brought to it by something else found also "inwardly", will allow the brain to look inward, and STAY there... the very ending of the outward vector within the brain, IS the ending of debate energy- it is the inward vector that is ALREADY the compassion that is required to see what we want to see- and it is here, in the INWARD, where we see that IT ALSO always contained the outward that we thought was "out there"...
compassion, and compassion alone, will bring us to this...
but the ego/brain will also now want to usurp compassion as a posession for itself, so that it can take it under its control... it MUST always win for itself- its a matter of "life and death" for the ego/brain... and so it will create a version of compassion that it thinks it can "own"- that it thinks it can "use" and "carry" from one place to the next, and thus be always in the "good" or the "right" for itself...
this is still just the ego/brain at work- but this activity has NO EFFECT on Compassion itself- it cant! it is NOT the actual NATURE of Compassion to be partial, to separate itself off from all else, so that it can be carried away...
thus, JK would say "Looking is its own action"... meaning, (if I may say) that the Compassion is ALREADY acting PRECISELY where it needs to be acting, WITHOUT any "effort" from any of "us"... without any interference from the partial, the whole is already at work, doing exactly what it needs to be doing, in order to bring about this understanding that we have been in search of...
do, or dont do- its of no matter to Compassion... and its the very understanding that Compassion is its OWN action, and NOT a personal action, that will bring us to exactly the right "place"- be that called a state, or silence, or an experience, or a learning- NONE of what we call it could possibly matter to this action- its already working towards what it needs to do, to get us to a real understanding of this matter... THIS is the true "letting go", this is true "meditation"-- just Looking, and seeing the truth of this unfold before us...
there is no "loss" in this understanding- and there is no "gain"... there is no "expertise" for this either... there is no "knowing" of this on the personal level, that can be "used" to make a place for oneself in this world... there is only the watching of Compassion acting in the world, and an understanding that whatever is seen as NOT Compassion, is itself only of the world, and thus, itself, has no part of what we are trying to really see...
that is, an "illusion"... but that word can get so loaded and entrapped by the ego/brain, but Im using it here because others will use the word to point to some of this same thing too...
IS it all really an "illusion"?
who wants to know? becomes the real inquiry in that... is it the agree/disagree, delineating, dichotomous brain that is looking to "figure it out" BEFORE it gives up anything of itself that it holds dear? Or is it that ever loving infinitely deeper true Curiosity for the truth, that has set you and I on this inquiry in the first place? No doubt, since we were VERY very young lads, did we live INSIDE of this beautiful and Compassionate Curiosity...
THAT is the compassion acting... already... just the looking, to really see it- NO HOLDING BACK looking at EVERYTHING that we think of as "sacred", but is still of the world- and thus a creation of ego/brain... that Looking has always been there for us, and I dare say, for everyone really... some seem far removed from it- but they can NOT POSSIBLY be any MORE removed from it than they are of death... we are ALL equally close to this one thing- call it death, call it curiosity, call it Love, call it Compassion, call it God... whatever... it is... and it acts and has been acting perfectly to do its job of joining that which seems separate, but never really was... this is the true illusion... that any of us are separate...