Something more on Hierarchy

The conversation on hierarchy with Will Shetterly continues here:

Will says:
“If both the far right and far left oppose you, you’re probably doing something wrong”

I could be saying this here to myself, couldnt I? or, something much bigger than we can commonly see is at play here- embedded into the structure of what is unfolding… how will we find out? how would we come to know if we are seeing something that is simply not seen by ANY “sides”? something beyond the notion of “sides”…

Will says:
“this isn’t meant to persuade. It’s meant to say I believe I understand why they behave as they do, and if there’s a way to get through to them, I do not know what it is, because so far as I can tell, their fundamental beliefs preclude it.”

So, this is what Im talking about-
you are saying that you have seen a truth that you also know intuitively, cannot live within the energy of “debate”- that as soon as debate is brought to it, it burns it up- debate consumes this truth, it is that rare, it is that delecate.. but at the same time, it is THAT overarching…

Will says:
“I have fundamental beliefs of my own that aren’t subject to logic: that everyone’s equal and everyone should share. They want a better form of hierarchy; I want to end hierarchy. There should be room for us to work together in some places, but their system doesn’t allow for allies as the rest of us understand the term”

Yes! this is what Im talking about- IF you can say that youve seen the end of hierarchy, THEN you simply cannot go back into the debate- debate itself is nothing BUT the attempt to “place oneself”- to position, to “take a stand” and test that stand… this will all continue to feed the energy of hierarchy… the ending of this is a completely different truth- when one comes upon this, and truly sees this within oneself- THATS when debate ends, because hierarchy ends within oneself…

as long as there is a sense of debate- a sense of “my logic is over arching, and they SHOULD get it”, it doesnt matter HOW TRUE that may be, the “they should” is what shuts out that overarching logic found at the end of debate… “they should” is what will invite debate right back in to the looking… the delicate (but HUGE) truth that is seen at the end of hierarchy, cannot withstand that invitation…

the end of hierarchy is humility- and humility by definition, will not debate with anyone- it will not try to convince in any way- it cannot carry a “should”… the should will shut it out so quickly- like those doors that used to slam down on the opening credits of “Get Smart” (original version) - SLAM- closed- when debate meets humility- meets the end of hierarchy…

Will, Im saying that what youve seen is true, but it cannot be carried- the truth of the end of hierarchy, comes with the truth of the end of debate- the end of certainty- the end of the “what about me” thought- as long as these things continue, it is the “truth carrier” that is crushing the truth- that is bringing a closed to that which was opened… these things live within US, and are not an “out there” that can be debated against… or else, what youve seen, is what you continue to see “out there”, and was never really true in the first place…

this is called “missing the mirror”- the very act of seeing that the overarching truth (the end of hierarchy) is being missed by “out there”, is ones own missing it “in here”- it can only be MY OWN insistence- and this is really who the “should” is being leveled at… missing the mirror- missing my own seeing of a truth that is so much bigger than me- and my own pitiful attempts to carry this, and make it “mine”…

the only way to convey a truth-completely-seen, is to BE that truth, completely… one must be like a janitor, one may have the keys to a truth, but it is just a doorway, and the only job of one who has seen what is on the other side of that door, is to open the door and leave- if the truth of the other side of that doorway, is pulled into the hall and delivered, then the janitor has failed at his job- he has made the contents of that truth his own property, and as such, stolen the truth- this is how it is to create hierarchy, out of that which was never subject to it in the first place- the truth… this is not proper stewardship of the truth- to make the truth your own in order to enter into debate… the true janitor opens the door, and leaves the participants in the hall to find the doorway for themselves- to go through themselves… there is great humility to being a janitor, and this is what makes him the “keeper” of the truth… the debators may have clever means to “success” at their disposal, but they will never come upon the truth- they will only get to see what they came to find- more of their own “not enough”…

(this is why the janitor is always found mumbling to himself… his conversation is with unseen and unknown things, that the others in the hall have yet to find)